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those killed or injured during the cowardly attack on an innocent American
civilian population on 9/11/01; also to the rescue workers and volunteers who
have given so much of themselves to help during this tragedy - some have given
all.


From Santo aka iQue

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Did Nostradamus Predict the Sept 11th Tragedy?
Daily Article: Did Nostradamus Predict the Sept 11th Tragedy?
Nostradamus was a French astrologer born in 1503. He published a
collection of prophecies in 1555. Each of the four-line verses
(called quatrains) is said to foretell a world event at some time in
the future.
Of course, ever since that time, the works of this man have been
claimed to have foretold just about everything, including wars, the
rise and fall of empires, assassinations and disasters, as well as
just about anything else.
Anyone who has ever really read these prophecies will immediately
realize that they are written in such a vague way that they could
mean almost anything. Nostradamus was purposely vague in his
writings, as he was constantly being harassed and watched by the
church.
Naturally, there are many people who claim right away that
Nostradamus predicted the September 11th disasters. In fact, the
following "prophecy" circulated within hours of the attack.
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
- Nostradamus 1654
It's interesting to note how stupid some people are - Nostradamus
died in 1566. If you are going to make a hoax at least get your facts
right! By the way, this actually was created by a student at Brock
University in Canada in the 1990s, appearing on an essay on
Nostradamus. He was trying to show how anyone could make something
that looks like a prophecy.
Someone obviously mistook this for a real prophecy and added a few
lines of his own.
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
On the 11th day of the 9 month,
two metal birds will crash into two tall statues
in the new city,
and the world will end soon after.
I received another with a slight variation. Note that Nostradamus is
misspelled and that New York is at the 41st degree of latitude, not
the 45th (the email author pointed out the 45 was the latitude of New
York). By the way, none of these lines has anything to do with
anything that was written by Nostradamus, except that someone went to
some trouble to mix and match a few lines here and there.
In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city
In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls; the great leader will succumb;
third big war will begin when the big city is burning
-NOSTRIDAMUS
and yet another variation:
In the City of Apples there will be a great thunder,
Two tall brothers torn apart by chaos,
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will swiftly begin from the city of
burning (Nostradamus 1654)
Yet another variation showed up in emails all over the internet.
Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.
Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,
Two great rocks for a long time will make war,
And then Arethusa will color a new river red.
This actually comes from a real verse, below.
Volcanic fire from the center of the earth
will cause trembling around the new city:
Two great rocks will make war for a long time.
Then Arethusa will redden a new river.
You will note the correct translation does not include anything at
all about towers.
Some hoaxer played the numbers game (another favorite pastime of the
followers of Nostradamus). The attack is no exception.
The flights that were hijacked were from United and American
Airlines, they were numbered as follows: 11, 93, 175, and 77
11= Today's' Date (Sept. 11)
9+3=12 = Tomorrow (Sept. 12)
1+7+5=13 = Thursday
7+7=14 = Friday
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove, but it's pretty darn
silly. A hoax, of course.
The flights were chosen for specific reasons. The numbers meant
nothing.
- Destination (large amount of fuel on board),
- Origin (large amount of fuel remaining at time of impact),
- airport security (or lack thereof),
- and time of departure (for a loosely coordinated attack)
There is a real passage from Nostradamus which is similar to the one
above (although nothing matches the attack facts).
When 1999 is seven months o'er
Shall heaven's great King -- albeit a dread host, he --
Restore the King from Angoumois once more,
Ere -- after March -- he'll reign propitiously.
This verse has been used to predict everything (almost literally)
from comets to disasters.
So what's the bottom line? The prophecies of Nostradamus may or may
not be valid. But they have nothing to do with the terrorist attack
on September 11th. Nothing at all.
Additional Information
Nostradamus FAQ
http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/faq.html
Good information about Nostradamus. Excellent resource.
False Prophecys
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm
A rationale, factual debunking of the various Nostradamus prophecies
floating around the internet.
About Urban Legends
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa091101b.htm
Good and short explanation of the facts.
Nostradamus Homepage
http://run.to/nostradamus
Want the straight scoop? Check out this page.
Nostradamus: A critical Analysis
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/info/analysis.htm
Very good article on the Nostradamus prophecies. Also the origin of
the "prophecy" on the September 11th disaster.
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My View: Thoughts On Grieving
From: George F. Colony, Chairman, CEO, and President, Forrester
Date: September 2001
We convened our research team this morning to talk about how we can help our clients in the wake of yesterday's tragedy. We set a research agenda that we think will help large companies get through the technology challenges of these times.
But we also talked about grief -- how we are grieving and how others are coming to grips with the loss of family, friends, coworkers, customers, and colleagues.
It's a topic that Forrester and I have been wrestling with recently. My wife Ann lost her parents on Egypt Air 990 in October 1999. Last week, Forrester's President and COO Bill Bluestein passed away suddenly. And sadly, we just got the news this morning that Dan Lewin, CTO of Akamai, our neighbor in Cambridge, was one of yesterday's victims.
I'm not a psychologist or therapist, but I thought I would share with you some of the lessons about grief that have helped Forrester and me over the last several weeks and years. Many of these ideas won't fit your company, but perhaps there will be some small glimmers that may help you as you work with your employees and yourself to confront tragedy. And my hope is that the attached discussion board will attract better ideas than I can muster. So here they are, in no particular order:
Get grief counseling. When Bill died last week, Forrester's head of HR said that we should get professional help for those who needed it. I was skeptical at first, but the counselors have been a very big help to many Forresterites. My experience was that they aren't there to cry with you -- they are there to help you understand what's going on inside you and to give ideas on how the process will run its course.
Take time to remember. This morning when I convened all Forresterites in Cambridge, one of our employees had us all hold hands for a moment of silence. And as we bowed our heads, each of us who knew a victim said his or her name aloud. Very powerful, and a dignified and simple way to honor those we have lost or are missing.
Everyone at his or her own speed. We have experienced many different speeds of grieving. Some want to go back to work immediately, some want to take it slowly. It's very important that the powers that be in your company give people permission to move at their own pace.
Reach out. The EEOC would probably throw me in jail for suggesting it, but people touching people during these times goes a long way. Holding hands or putting an arm over someone's shoulder can be highly cathartic in the right context.
Be patient. Many people will want to go back to "normal." But we can't go back -- and you should tell your people that. We will go to a "new normal" but we can't go back to the "old normal" -- it's gone forever.
Different manifestations. As I noted above, people will grieve at different rates. But their grief will take on different styles as well. Some will manifest grief emotionally, some physically, some with out-of-the-ordinary behavior. As a manager, it's important that you understand how each member of your team is coming to grips, and be able to connect at that level.
Give lots of time for communing. Build time into the workday for people to hang out and just talk. Give your people permission to drop work and be with each other.
Have a lot of food around. We found last week that we couldn't eat at times, and then we would be ravenously hungry. Pizza out of the blue or midafternoon cookies help a lot.
Take care of yourself. Don't neglect yourself. Get sleep, get exercise, and make your own time for communing and reflection. It’s a long-distance run, not a sprint. Conserve your energy.
As I read above, it all feels so "surface" given the scope of what has happened. I'm sure you've got many other insights. Check out the discussion board that is included in this My View. I (and all of the Forrester community) would love to hear your voice on this issue.
George

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